chris Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 My winter projects of lighting upgrades have presented my with a small dilemma. I now have several different types of lights on trains, so much so that it's hard to remember which function button does what on each train. The only light that is standard is Function 0 which is used for directional head and tail lights. Along with directional lighting I have cab lights on a couple of locos, coach lighting on a Pacer, door warming lights on a Sprinter and my voyager has a parking light function (taillights on at both ends). In future I plan to add the abilty to switch off the taillights on a loco, as it the case when its no running light engine. Before I go any further I need to decide which function number will switch which light. I know that there are standard numbers for sound, but I'm not heading that direction (at the moment) so I'm happy use those numbers. I think I'll go with Cab Light Door warning Parking lights Coach lighting Kill taillights Although no train will have all these functions, making them them same on all trains should be helpful. Out of interest, only one of my RTR trains have used more than the head/tail light function, my latest Bachmann 66 had the cab light on button 1. I get the feeling that the manufactures are reluctant to add features that can't be used on DC. This is a shame because if DCC enhancements worked out of the box then there would be more reason for people to go DCC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 chris said: ...I know that there are standard numbers for sound, but I'm not heading that direction (at the moment) ..... And will we have long to wait for this I wonder? I do like sound, more so with diesels than with steam loco's, but I rarely use the additional sound functions other than the occasional 'whistle' or 'toot toot' when no-ones about. I don't really need to memorise what functions produce what sounds as it's normally just F1 for the sounds on/off, and F2 & F3 for the whistles. F0 puts on/off the lights and that's as much as I would use. Your lighting upgrades really do look the business and how on earth you manage to fit the ones above the doors I really don't know. I've seen other people's attempts at adding additional lights and lighting control but that mass of wires convinces me that it's not something I should ever attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 The tiny nano lights are difficult to work with, but with practice you learn and improve. I added them to my 142 Pacer last night and simply surface mounted them on the roof with the wires going through 0.5mm holes. That part went well, but I did have a soldering iron in contact with the body work incident If this had happened to a model I like (the Hornby Pacer is poor) then there may have been tears. I've still got a couple of wires to carefully solder up in the motor car and then the Pacer will be complete, with Functions 0 (head/tail) 2 (door warnings) and 4 (coach lighting) all working. Just because I can... I think I will program F8 on the dummy car and F9 on the motor car to turn on the coach lights. This will allow me to turn them on separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share Posted February 16, 2014 I found a very fustrating quirk when programming my 142 Pacer. When assigning function numbers to wires I ended up with the door warning lightings coming on and off when changing direction and then the headlights simply didn't work. I couldn't work out what was going on and with one of the decoders in my HST playing up I basically gave up on it I've been building Metcalfe kits for the last week. This afternoon I've had most of my trains on the programming track assigning my new standard function numbers to them. I left the Pacer until last. In what turned out to be a stroke of luck I managed to reprogram the dumby car in such away that the same issues manifested themselves. After the initial frustration I did manage to work out what was going wrong. The ZTC decoder doesn't need to be told to work the forward/reverse lights, it just does it. If you do try and program it to do so then strangeness ensues. I rolled back the changes on the dumby and got that working again. The motor car required a factory reset to get it working, but it is now working as required. Phew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleanerg6e Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 mick said: And will we have long to wait for this I wonder? I do like sound, more so with diesels than with steam loco's, but I rarely use the additional sound functions other than the occasional 'whistle' or 'toot toot' when no-ones about. I don't really need to memorise what functions produce what sounds as it's normally just F1 for the sounds on/off, and F2 & F3 for the whistles. F0 puts on/off the lights and that's as much as I would use. Your lighting upgrades really do look the business and how on earth you manage to fit the ones above the doors I really don't know. I've seen other people's attempts at adding additional lights and lighting control but that mass of wires convinces me that it's not something I should ever attempt. \ said: ..I know that there are standard numbers for sound' date=' but I'm not heading that direction (at the moment) .....[/quote'] I know you don't like using the sound too often Mick is it because of the neighbours? If they were to complain you could always ask if they'd prefer heavy metal music blaring and thumping away. I know which I'd prefer. My neighbours have kids who constantly throw balls against the fence or over into my place. If they complained about the locos sounds I'd tell them 'you do what you want to in your garden and I'll do what I want to in mine'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share Posted May 25, 2014 I sorted out another annoying quirk today. The warning lights for the doors on my DMUs are programmed to FO2. This is fine and lovely and works nicely, apart from on my iPhone/iPad throttles. On these deceives you press button 2 and they come on but turn off when you release the button, i.e. take your finger off. So either I get a brief flash or I have to hold the button down for as long as the trains is in the station. While programming a unit I had a hunt around in the preferences and finally found a setting that made FO2 momentary on the WiThrottle software. I unchecked the box and all is well. I guess its for a horn or bell or some other sound function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted April 21, 2015 Author Share Posted April 21, 2015 I've recently added lights to my two Northern Belle Class 47s. These work top and tail so their lighting requirements are slightly different. The loco at the front needs its headlights on and no rear lights, while the loco at the back requires its taillights but no headlights. A function to "kill taillights" wasn't appropriate. What I required was separate control of the lights at each end. I drew up a logic table to consider every possible combination of lights a loco may require. That became surprisingly complicated. I chose to use the 4 function wires on the chip to control the four sets of lights (cab 1: head and tail; cab 2: head and tail). This way I could program them as I see fit. I could have assigned them a function each (e.g. 1, 2, 3 and 4) and turned them on as needed, but changing direction would have required a lot of button pressing. I've assigned Cab 1 to function 0 and Cab 2 to function 1, and made them both directional. If the loco is running light engine I switch on 0 and 1 to get head and tail, if it is hauling a train I switch on either 0 or 1 depending which end of the train it is. Seeing this thread has reminded me that function 1 should be standardised as a cab light. I should reprogram the cab 2 lights to function 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 With the weather turning very chilly over the last couple of days, and concerned that my cold was returning, I retreated inside. Yesterday I brought in a batch of locos that needed their DCC programming tweaking. I set up my controller and laptop in my study and got to work. The 153 I've recently added warning lights to was an easy fix. Simply change the functions to the numbers listed above, door warning lights on 2 and coach lights on 4. Next was my DBSO. This is a conversion I'd done myself. Due to procrastination it was still programmed to loco address 3. It should go to 97, but I already have a loco with that number so I sent for 99. I also changed its direction, because it will be worked in consist with the loco at the other end of the train, the lights will need to be the reverse of that loco. I chickened out of trying to work out how to set up a consist. My (dummy) HST really frustrated me for hours. I couldn't for the life of me get it's head and tail lights to work with the direction control. In the end I noticed that it's consist setting had been changed, to what end I do not know. But removing the consist programming allowed the lights to be controlled by the direction of the train. Phew. After that, I gave up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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