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  1. Further to my post above remember that these people who ask for money usually to make better quality videos, well they're the ones who decided to make and upload videos in the first place. No one held a gun at their head and said "you will make and upload videos to social media or else!". I think it's a bit rich of people asking for contributions from viewers to make better quality videos. If they want better lighting rigs, more sophisticated editing software so they can have more HAY WOW!! graphics etc, then they can buy those themselves. If people give to their channel via patreon and later these people have a change of heart and stop making videos, do the people who gave them money get their money back? No they don't.
  2. Arrgh! my friend the duke. My daughter has been itching to meet you. Chlamydia!!! Men about to go into battle. Men don't worry you'll soon be home with your families. In a urn, on the mantle piece. Dr Who. We seem to have materialised in the 19th century. Oh no, it's Glasgow 2017. I though watching Queer Eye For a Straight Guy that it would be a good idea to have gay friends so that they could give me fashion tips. But actually they just sh##g me. A man from the ministry went to an NHS hospital to review their performance. He said "you seem to go through a lot of bandages what do you do with the rolls in the middle"? The hospital exec replied "we save them all up and send them back to the bandage company and eventually we get one free. We recycle them. The man from the ministry then asked, " you seem to have a lot of coloured bandages. Isn't that rather wasteful?. The exec replied, "well we get patients to make a 1 pound donation which more than covers the actual 10p that it costs to put the colouring in. The man from the ministry was determined to show how wasteful the NHS was. So he asked, "what do you do with all the little bits of skin left over from the circumcisions". But the exec had an answer for that one too. He told him "we send all those little bits to the government and once a year at about this time they send us a complete prick.
  3. Watching a YouTube upload that was from the BBC so no doubt illegal were some jokes. 1. The train now arriving on platforms 4, 5 and 6 has just blown up on platform 7. 2. I'm afraid son but Santa will be unable to give a toy train set for Christmas. He is however able to give you a toy bus replacement set instead. 3. Athletics at the London Olympics. In lane one is the UK. In lane two is the USA. Lane three is closed for resurfacing. 4. Australia has once again beaten England in the cricket. Hitting things and running away it's the criminal mentality. 5. Ladies and gentlemen we shall soon be arriving at Glasgow airport. I remind you that you need to put your watches back......25 years.
  4. Hi Mark I bought second hand from Hattons two power cars which are the latest ones from Hornby with the idea of having two powered power cars and 8 trailer cars. They were in black and silver grand central livery and it looks hideous. The two I bought new are in Intercity Swallow Livery and they look awesome. I've found with DCC sound that in it's original one power car and one dummy car that the sound from the power car had more depth to it than the dummy car. Apparently that's due to one having a motor and the other just a circuit board. I've now fitted the dummy Intercity car body with the power car chassis from the Grand Central power car and both sound outputs are the same with the same sound intensity. I should say that the latest HST power cars from Hornby do weigh a significant amount will easily haul or propel 8-10 trailer cars. However if you do have significant ( I love that word it makes one appreciate the significance of significant). Where was I oh yes if you do have steep "significant" gradients then two powered power cars would make a significant difference in hauling or pushing the 8-10 trailer cars.
  5. Kadee's are used around the world but in the UK if you wanted to be as prototypical as possible then you would need a hefty supply of three link and screw couplings and an even heftier supply of patience to couple and uncouple them. Oh yes every piece of rolling stock would have to have sprung buffers. The tension lock or bar and battering ram as I like to call it is hardly British looking even though it's sold on all new OO gauge R-T-R stock. The Kadee is a much better and easier option even on steam locos and yes it can easily handle super elevated track work. Strong magnets can be placed underneath the track work and marked by a post as to their location. Over the proper magnets uncoupling is a breeze and stock can even be lose shunted into a siding provided the loco doesn't stop mid propelling of the stock into the siding otherwise it will recouple. You will then say "oh bigger it!!".
  6. An alarm system is only as good as someones response to it. If your alarm goes off due to a break in somewhere on your property and you're not home, you have to rely on neighbours to ring the police and they may take some time in getting to your home and the thieves will be long gone by then. A back to base response unit maybe a better choice although it will be more expensive. But good solid dead locks or dead bolts so doors can't be jemmied open is also good. Bringing your prized locos into the house is good but if the thieves strike your house they can still steal your prized locos. Many model loco thefts are done by people who know what they're after and have a ready buyer waiting to buy your stolen locos. The average thief will find it hard to exchange your prized locos for drugs. Also get an engraver and engrave say your drivers license number or a symbol known only to you on the base of every piece of rolling stock. That way it's easier for the authorities to identify your stolen locos, coaches and wagons etc.
  7. NFSA stands for National Film and Sound Archive in Australia. Here are two films shot in B&W. What struck me about them is that the sound is real not dubbed as often happens in archive films on railways. Darling Harbour is right in the heart of Sydney. It's narrated with music and interviews with crews who worked the area. Preserved Garratt 6029 is not truly representative of how Garrats looked in the days of steam. The thumbnail is how they looked.
  8. Before handing over hard earned dollars/pounds or whatever currency you use on YouTube, google a persons channel to find out how much their net worth is. For YouTubers who've set up Patreon accounts they can rake in a huge amounts of cash and will often ask for more. There is a YouTuber who is the richest YouTuber ever who put a video up in September 2016 saying he was broke. His net worth as of December 2016 was $61,000,000USD. He then set up a Patreon account and got another $4,000 from unsuspecting people. I personally don't give money to YouTubers. People say that they put a lot of time an effort into making their videos. Well I put a lot of time and effort into my employment but I don't ask complete strangers for more money because I think I deserve it. I can't anyway. It's illegal for government employees to make extra money of that sort. There is another person who has 1.7 million subs and has a "how to fix your car" channel and he asks for regular donations. I googled him and he earns $650USD per day or $240,000 per year. So he hardly needs more money from me or anyone else. He gets paid from product endorsements etc yet he asks for more money from viewers. It always pays to do a bit of research on people especially when it comes to money.
  9. I like your new back scenes Ian. Have you sprayed them with a matt varnish to protect them from dirt. Is the pink patch a representation of willow herb? If you do decide to trial concrete with ballast make sure the concrete is rapid set. But instead of using a trigger action spray bottle try a pump action bottle say two litres and set the nozzle to a wide fine mist.
  10. Soldering bonding wires on rail joints or feed wires to a bus wire really is about as much fun as watching paint dry. But it is worth it. Please try to remember that a garden railway operates in the real world and not the climate controlled world of our indoor counterparts. Also remember to solder the wires to the OUTSIDE of the rails only and not the inside where the wheel flange rubs. Don't use a "blob" of solder on the rail joint as outside the rails needs to not only expand in the heat from the sun but also to contract once the heat of the sun has gone. Don't be afraid of using too much "flux" and don't hoard it like a single malt whiskey. Splash it on with all the finesse of a boxer landing a left hook. Better to have too much than not enough, just like the single malt whiskey. The trouble with not soldering is that dirt will get into the rail joint and dirt doesn't conduct electricity. So your train/s if running slowly will just stall on the rail joint and after awhile will become a real pain. This stalling will usually happen when friends come round to admire your handy work and you won't get a "pat on the back" when you have to resort to "the big helping hand from the sky". If your friends become totally engrossed in running trains on a railway that you have designed and built and with liquid refreshment in the shape of wine or for us a cold beer or the Brits a warm beer then even if your friends don't heap praise upon you, you will know that they are loving your railway due to your diligence with maintenance. With garden railways in the small scales using mains supplied electricity one needs to keep up the maintenance. Because of the widely varying temperature range in the real world soldered bonds can and do drop off. It's caused by ambient temperature variations affecting the molecules in the solder. Some say that you have to clean off the old grey solder off the sides of the rails. I never did. I just applied some liquid flux and using a soldering iron reheated the old solder and reattached the bond. I found that it happened after winter but it didn't happen to all of the bonded rail joints (thank heavens) and I just needed to clean the entire rails and run a train to check where it stuttered and using a pair of fine nosed pliers I'd gently pull at the track bonds and a bond would easily come away from it's soldered place on the rail side. So I re-soldered it.
  11. The reason I want to have a large two room building is to have the layout in one half and a modelling area in the other. There is also another reason. When I get too old for this garden railway game or I have to move out the second building can be turned into accommodation for either a trial basis/permanent moving in of the mother in-law or for a teenager who wants a bit of freedom from mum and dad but can't afford the very high rents of the area. My house is only a two bedroom dwelling and suits me to a tee, but to have another large room where an addition to the family or change living arrangements could be advantageous from a selling point of view. But it won't be cheap to build. It will however be just two rooms and if others after me want to add a shower, toilet and kitchen facilities that's up to them. The furthest I'd go would be a small camping fridge and an electric jug for making coffees. Due to our high summer temperatures it will have to be air conditioned. A inverter split system will do the job. The roof will be colourbond pre painted corrugated steel with solar panels and "spin away" ventilators the same that I have on the house. A little known fact with solar panels is that in the very high summer temperatures that they produce less, yes less electricity. They're only really good to about 30 degrees centigrade. Wind turbines also have a drawback. In high winds the turbine disengages from the rotating blades otherwise the mechanism would wear out too quickly. As for the length of the garden railway, our fatherly figure in the shape of Mick (that should get me thrown off) has advised me to have a smaller length of run. I'm inclined to agree with him. Everybody wants to see a running garden railway but those same people want nothing to do with the maintenance side of a garden railway. As we get more sunshine than rain no doubt the garden railway will be built first with the indoor railway being done on very hot or rainy days.
  12. 3026 and 3102 head a tour train from Bombala in mid winter 1985. This line is now closed and many sections have been lifted. This is the only footage that I've been able to find on YouTube of trains on the line. The two half round wagons behind 3102 are "water gins" the leading one is a bogie variety and the second one is a four wheeler. They are necessary for all water columns for steam engines had disappeared on this line.
  13. Super heated 3001 with slide bar covers and saturated 3026 run from Cowra to Blayney on the Blayney to Demondrille branchline in 1994. This line is now closed throughout due to needing massive investment to upgrade the track work. 3026 suffered a major problem on this trip which is shown in the film.
  14. This short journey is on the now preserved part of the Dorrigo Branch line. It starts from near Glenraegh and goes up to the two tunnels going through one of the tunnels and looking into the other which is full of bats. There is then a condensed trip back down the line towards Glenraegh. The footage is a little shaky and the growth of line side vegetation is very vigorous with a high rainfall in this part of the north coast of NSW.
  15. Filmed in 1993 two locos run a six coach train to Michelago from Queanbeyan. The line has since closed but when open ran all the way to Bombala in southern NSW. The two locos have a history. 1210 was built in 1878 and at one time was the oldest operating loco in the world. It was withdrawn several time but due to economic conditions it reentered service finally being withdrawn for the last time in 1958 at 80 years of age. It was plinthed outside Canberra railway station and the ARHS society negotiated with the authorities to keep it clean. Further negotiations saw the loco removed from the plinth and placed within the confines of the ARHS at their Canberra base. It was restored to operational condition in 1988. 1210 is 8 years older than Caledonian Single 4-2-2 No. 123 which was built in 1886 but the Scottish authorities think that she's too old to ever run again under her own steam, or they're just being very tight fisted which is a well known characteristic of the Scots. 3016 started life in 1903 as a 4-6-4 tank engine hauling trains around the suburban network in Sydney. When those lines were electrified in the 1920's. The loco was rebuilt as a tender engine in 1930 and she received super heating in 1941along with an extended smoke box. In 1965 she had more miles than any of her 145 sisters nearly 2,000,000 miles. She's been a very active loco in preservation so she would have over two million miles now.
  16. Well actually Tony the old Glenbrook Tunnel was on the mainline. Originally to climb from Emu Plains up the eastern face of the mountains there was a zig zag. That was replaced by a single track viaduct and the old single track Glenbrook Tunnel. Due to it's horrible reputation and at least one accident when the crew of a loco was overcome by smoke from their engine. The push up loco at the rear had already reversed out of the tunnel and was getting ready to reenter the tunnel when the wagons and loco came out of the tunnel and hit the push up loco. The train loco crew were unconscious on the floor of their cab. What a way to run a railway. Then a double track viaduct and a double track tunnel replaced the old single track tunnel which then had the two uses shown in my previous post. On the western side of the mountains is the now famous Lithgow Zig Zag which was in operation until 1910. It was replaced by 10 tunnels with tunnels 1 and 10 being the longest. The Zig Zag tourist railway is creeping slowly towards reopening but only when the safety regulator gives the go ahead. The trouble with many railway enthusiasts in NSW is that they tend to look upon authority as people who like to meddle in their affairs and thus they are to be ignored and if that doesn't work you tell them "up yours" complete with hand signal. But the authorities come down on such people like a load of bricks and make them obey regulations. In the UK every preserved railway knows that there are regulations that must be adhered to or else they would suffer the same fate. They seem to have no problems obeying regulations, but our lot seem to fall back on their convict ancestry.
  17. This railway tunnel was taken out of use years ago and has had a two uses that aren't railway related. The above video is one use the old tunnel was put to. Here's another video in the same tunnel showing it's second use after that use had ceased. The company that ran it an Australian owned company was bought by an Asian company and their H&S left a lot to be desired. The company is in battle with the state government for they just walked away and left a filthy putrid mess and they're in no hurry to clean it up. The tunnel today is closed off to the public and no doubt still in a putrid mess. I think it should be totally cleaned out and reopened to the public as part of a walking track. It should never again be used for any business purposes. I can remember walking through it myself when it was the Australian owned and operated mushroom growing farm and it was clean inside, but wet. Outside it was a summer temperature of 40+ degrees but in the tunnel it was a cool sub 20 degrees. Well cool to us. Even then water leaked freely into the tunnel and that was years ago. Judging by the above footage it still does. The thumbnail above shows 3673 a 4-6-0 of 1928 crossing the present double line Knapsack Viaduct. 3673 was the only 36 class to be fitted with large smoke deflectors but they didn't work very well and were removed. The other 36 fitted with smoke deflectors was 3612 and they were of the small variety and very similar to the smoke deflectors fitted the SR King Arthur class. They didn't work well either and they too were removed. The main problem was that the Westinghouse Air Pump interrupted the air flow so whilst the exhaust was lifted on the driver side (left side of loco) the exhaust tended to beat down on the fireman's side (right side of loco). We are looking at the drivers side. The 36 class never went through the old Glenbrook tunnel and a double track deviation (the present line) had bypassed the old tunnel by the time this photo was taken. In the video there is a photo of a large 4-8-2 emerging from a tunnel. That tunnel is the present double track Glenbrook Tunnel.
  18. Hi Roddy, yes I did google "Summit tunnel fire" and read what happened. Some of the bricks melted in the intense heat but there was no structural damage to the tunnel. Here Garretts weren't favoured in single line tunnels due to loading gauge restrictions. As can be seen the loco is of large dimensions and they often fitted single line tunnels like the proverbial "cork in a bottle" or like the tube trains in London. But being steam locos in long single line tunnels crews would notice the air temperature rising. None of our tunnels had ventilation shafts and there's one near to me called the old Glenbrook Tunnel which was notorious for bad ventilation. It leaked so the interior was always damp and it was on a curve the enemy of proper ventilation. If a loco slipped in the tunnel the crews were sometimes overcome by smoke and fumes and were on the cab floor unconscious. Most trains heading up the mountains were banked and if the crew of the banking loco reversed out of the tunnel to save themselves being overcome by smoke and fumes they had to be careful and keep a sharp watch ahead for the train rolling out of the tunnel with no one in control of it. The guard would have screwed the handbrake on in his brake van but the loco crew would either be near to blacking out or they would have blacked out. I think the grade through the tunnel was 1 in 40.
  19. The Mountain High Railway was begun around the late 1980's and was on the line from Tumut to Batlow. It folded around 1991 through lack of interest being too far away from Sydney. Here are three videos of the railway filmed in 1989 using a small shunting 0-6-0 diesel of unknown origin with an ex NSW railways passenger coach and a bogie flat converted into an open air coach. This is all raw unedited footage. In video number 2 is a view of the wide Gilmore Valley In this the third and final video of the line we have two ex NSW railway coaches and D10 and English Electric Diesel. She was a shunter at the Port Kembla Steel Works. Looking up on info for D10 it's stated she has since been scrapped. Being a EE she has a sort of class 37 sound to her. Since this video was taken Batlow Station has been demolished in an unbelievable idea of "preserving" the station precinct. Humm. Batlow station is where you see a lot of small wooden boxes which apples were packed into as Batlow is a huge apple growing area. It gets very cold here in the wintertime as Tumut is close to the Ski slopes. Tumut is also the area for the Snowy Mountains Hydroelectric Scheme which was built in the 1950's by European Immigrants mainly Italians and Hungarians.
  20. A number of shuttle trains were run between Bathurst and Newbridge with 6029 leading and C502 trailing. Tumulla bank is a torturous 1 in 40 climb and even worse in wet weather. Also at an earlier time (1988) 4472 came to Australia in lieu of Mallard and she too tackled Tumulla Bank. However all was not well on 4472 and 3801 did most of the work with 4472 doing more of it's share as the two proceeded up the bank. The occasional smoke rings are from 3801.
  21. After having done a light load trial run. 6029 did a loaded trial run from Canberra (it's base) to Bungendore and return. Note how at the opening shot the automatic stoker is turned off due to the single line tunnel. Note to the shape of the tunnel very different to British single tunnels. The tunnel is fully lined with bricks.
  22. I recently posted a video in the "Buffet" section of the forum. To do that I had to rejoin YouTube but I haven't uploaded anything. On the home front I'm busier than ever with work and family. Heaven only knows when I'll get time to start on the next railway. It's summer now and hot today with the temperature going past 40 degrees. I recently bought a book not on railways but with the title Ford Australia The Cars and the People that Built Them. It's a great read for anyone interest in industrial history. Ford Australia had two plants in Victoria. One at Geelong and the other at Broadmedows. A rail spur was constructed off the mainline at Geelong into the assembly plant. Victorian Railways said it would take them approximately five years to construct the spur line. So Ford built it instead....in less than three months. When Ford was considering buying the land to build the Broadmedows assembly plant they had to ask Ford US if they could. A typo error put the distance between the two plants at 4.5 miles when in reality it was 45 miles. Everything that Ford Australia wanted to do that had to go "cap in hand" to Ford US. In 1981 the Falcon sedan was released. Ford Aust had to ask Ford US if they could design and build the car. So they went to Dearborn US with a stack of folders measuring about one foot in height. The "guys" at Ford US didn't want to look through all those folders on the specs of the car and just agreed to the project. Just as well really because only one or two folders actually contained information on the Falcon. All the other folders were full of old pages from old telephone directories. Who remembers the old TV sitcom "To the Manor Born" and the episode where Audrey is trying to save the local station. The BR men show up to the local community meeting with a thin folder on the line. The head man berates the younger man saying that he should have stacks of bumph even if it only old pages from a telephone directory. It gives you authority. In the meeting Audrey produces the "Charter" setting out the terms whereby the railway had bought the land from her family. At the end of the meeting Audrey's friend Marjorie wanted to know where Audrey had gotten the "Charter" from. Audrey told her that it wasn't the "Charter" just some old pages from a telephone directory. Besides the Falcon there were other cars in the Fairlane and the LTD. One LTD model in the mid 70's was the "Silver Monarch" a huge car and all in silver, vinyl roof included. It looked horrible and some at Ford Australia doubted it would sell at all. It did sell and the sales manager for Ford Australia remarked "never doubt the bad taste of the buying public". In New South Wales at the Homebush Assembly plant parts were being stolen from the spare parts section. A "sting" operation was set up to catch the culprits. It ran for a week and naturally the shift manager and the security guard had to know about it. The "sting" operation never caught the culprits but they were caught in due course. The Culprits were, the shift manager and the security guard. Another employee at the Geelong Assembly plant was an Olympic standard gymnast who got tired of walking across the floor from one area to another so he shimmied up the RSJ support girders and swung through the roof trusses and then shimmied down another girder. He was told not to do it on numerous occasions but he still did and eventually he was told that a ladder had to be secured top and bottom to be safe to climb. So to put a ladder in place he shimmied up a girder and tied the top of the ladder to a bearer and then shimmied down another girder and tied the ladder securely at it's base. He then climbed the ladder and swung through the roof trusses as normal. The ladder didn't last long and he went back to shimmying up the girders again. He never had an accident. The unions of course played a role and with Ford Australia they tried very hard to work with the company rather than against Ford. One of the schemes was accident insurance and one employee hadn't joined because although he could read he couldn't write so he couldn't fill out the application form. The Union official filled the form in for him and the employee signed as best he could. This was in the early 1950's. A few weeks later this same employee was backing his car out of his driveway and a truck hit his car killing him instantly. The union paid his widow 1,000 pounds so that she and her three children wouldn't be destitute. A thousand pounds isn't much these days but in the early 50's it was a huge sum for ordinary people. One further thing a merry Christmas and a happy new year to you all. Roy.
  23. Here in Australia when I was growing up Ford Falcon Hardtops were commonplace. That was in the 1970's. By the end of that decade Australia's love for big two door Falcons was fading with sales really slowing so much so that in 1978 Ford Australia had 400 body shells sitting around that no one knew whether to build them into cars or just scrap them. To boost sales of those 400 bodies they were built and released as the Cobra. A white car with two wide blue stripes from bonnet (hood) front to boot (trunk). The first 19 were basically racing cars but street legal. The rest were standard Cobra's. These hardtops NOT COUPE'S ( like calling a black 5 a jubilee because they look similar) came with three engine types. A 4.1 straight six cylinder and small 4.9 and large 5.8 block V8's. Just recently there was a fully restored 4.9 Cobra for sale in Queensland and the price in English pounds 125,000. A 5.8 Cobra would sell for around 250-300,000 pounds as they are very rare. Even one of the standard fully restored cars of models XA, XB or XC would sell for around 30-40,000 pounds. Even an unrestored body shell will cost 15,000 pounds nowadays. These were the days of course before fuel injection and all the other modern bits on cars. Certainly no computers in these hardtops. Usually 4 barrel "Holley" or Webber" carburetors and who remembers distributors with points in them. Radiator fans that run continuously because they're powered by the motor. Coil suspension up front and leaf springs at the rear etc. To restore these cars today it's like restoring a full size diesel with many new pieces of metal replacing the rusted ones and these cars did rust. The car from the movie Mad Max is a modified XC Hardtop whilst the yellow and blue police cars in that movie were XB Falcon sedans. The supercharger fitted to the black interceptor didn't actually work in the movie despite Max pulling or pushing a red button to start and stop the supercharger. To think Mel Gibson got paid 50,000 pounds to do that movie. He wasn't a big star in those days, nor is he nowadays. Here hopefully is a video of these now classic cars in South Australia when a forum had, well.....a running day. Are these cars fuel efficient? No not even remotely. The gold car with a black vinyl roof is a "Landau Hardtop" another very rare car nowadays. At 1:17 in the background is red hardtop and to the left of it is a car exactly the same as what I drive a G6E Falcon and the same model too. With the passage of time my car has more hp than the 5.8 Cobra in the foreground. Oddly enough new engine parts can be bought like crankshafts, pistons etc. Contrary to what some may think these cars were not built in the USA as right hand drives. Americans are unfamiliar with these Falcons. They were all designed and built in Melbourne Victoria. They were only available for sale in Australia. In recent years some have found their way to the USA and one or two have ended up in the UK. Roy.
  24. Bad news my YouTube account has been hacked so all the videos I had have now gone. I'm in two minds whether to rejoin YouTube it seems to be going the same way as Facebook. Facebook to me is very, "look at me! look at me! I'm so much better than any of you!" and "I had a cup of coffee today and I need to tell everybody!". YouTube seems to be going the same way. I had one guy who persistently kept asking for a video I had to be put onto DVD and sent to him. He said his intentions were honorable but I just refused. With a copy of the footage on DVD he could have made a thousand copies and sold them to profit himself. The video in question was the Railscene Railscale "Bromford and High Peak Railway" in 7mm gauge. It was built by the late Ronny Hoare ( the Ferrari importer). The layout is now dismantled but in storage somewhere. All the locos and stock were sold off. I just uploaded it to share it. None of my videos were monetised due to me not wanting to make money out of other peoples efforts. Besides monetising videos only really works if one had on average several thousand views per video, and that was never me. If videos did appear with ads on them then those ads were for people with music on the DVD's and if they wanted to make money from the efforts, then sure go right ahead. Others say put a "water mark" on your videos to stop piracy but that's no good either, for people can skillfully erase your "water mark" put their own "water mark" on your video and claim it as their own. I never saw the ads as I have "adblocker+ installed on my browser so all the ads on videos on YouTube are blocked. Even Vevo music videos which have loads of ads in them are blocked by this add on. I also have anti third party tracking as well. Microsoft told Firefox to disable that add on but Firefox refused point blank. Did you know that Firefox is one of the few that refuse to report the online activities to US authorities such as the CIA, NSA and FBI. They believe in a free and open web. Cheer, Roy.
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