Purbeck Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Hi folks, Very new to this forum, is there such a thing as special rustproof outdoor track? If so, what should I get? I guess it would be best to lay it and keep it laid all year round. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I believe almost all of us here, with perhaps one or two exceptions, use Peco nickel silver track. Certainly in the UK it withstands all the weather can throw at it and it doesn't rust, although it does need cleaning before use in order to remove the tarnish that forms on the rail tops. It's much more convenient to keep the track down all year round although there's nothing stopping you from taking it up and putting it back down as and when required. I think it's the aim of most members of the forum to have a permanent outdoor layout and that's the main reason we leave track down all year round. Oh and welcome to the forum. If you're considering an outdoor layout then you'll find yourself in good company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) The one exception to track being rust proof is the tiny spring used to "latch" the points (keep them thrown or closed). I use a small blob of silicon grease from time to time to help keep the rust away. Thinking about it, I noticed a couple of my points need that treatment. I'll go and do that now while I remember. Edited April 23, 2016 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EngineDriver Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Hi Purbeck, welcome to the forum, Mick has pretty much covered it all there however I would add that I think most of us use Peco code 100 track as opposed to the finer scale versions, also if you decide to install any points outdoors then stick to the Peco brand don't go for the Hornby ones (even though they may be slightly cheaper) as they are not as good a quality. You will also need to do some additional wiring to the points for outdoor usage, but it's not complicated and it is covered elsewhere in this forum. Don't be afraid to ask questions, we always try to answer all of them, somebody on here usually knows the answer! There is also lots of friendly banter on here as well I hope you're ok with that! so please join in ......... and now and again we do tend to drift "off topic" but then we get shouted at and our wrists slapped All the best for now Nige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baimor Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Hi Purbeck. Warmest welcomes from south yorkshire mate. It's been said before but ill say it again anyway. Never be afraid to ask questions matey. Someone on here will have done what you're trying to do before and worked out the best/easiest/cheapest/most effective way to do it. Enjoy what you're building and spend time doing it right first time then you'll have something that lasts a lifetime (more or less)!! Oh and don't ask me for photography advice, don't ask enginedriver (Nige) for planing advice and don't ask our leader (Mick) which box is best for amputated fingers!!! Welcome mate. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traingeekboy Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 I am the odd man out. I use Atlas code 100 flex track and snap switches. But it's still made of the same rail which is nickel silver and rust proof. I would use peco, but it is more expensive. Peco points are extremely reliable and they have a lot of the european styles of points that one see's more often over there like double scissors and also the smaller radii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purbeck Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Thanks all for the warm welcomes - back home now and looking at a box full of old track in the attic.. will check for the Peco brand, and (I'm guessing) a quick check with a magnet will reject anything with potential to rust. I'm working on the walls and flower beds for the next couple of months, will be back in touch when it's track-laying time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanier Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Hi Purbeck, Your post appears to be incomplete, but I think you are asking about suitable track materials which will not rust. Peco mostly make their rails out of nickel silver. Although this will tarnish with a sort of yellowy-blackish appearance, it does not rust as such. A quick clean of the rail heads will ensure good electrical contact with loco wheels. An added bonus of nickel silver is that once tarnished it gives a natural weathered look. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanier Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Sorry folks. It seems it was a glitch at my end which resulted in only seeing part of the original post. Clearly, others gave replies before mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasI Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 I startet a test in 2012 and placed flex track and points following manufacturers in my garden Peco Code 83 and Peco Code 75 Roco Code 83 Tillig Code 83 Walthers Code 83 Shinohara Code 83 and Code 70 Piko Code 100 Only track: Fleischmann Profi Code100 GT Code 83, Code 95 and Code 100 Atlas Code 83 After 3 years I examined how the state is. Absolutely useless were: Piko Code 100 Roco Code 83 points Small problems but which could be prevented with care ( I have the tracks not touched three years !) occured with: Shinohara Points and the stainless steel GT track (but not the nickel silver track) With Tillig the burnished profiles were a little harder to clean than the bare profiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purbeck Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 Thomasl, What, about the Peco Code 100, was "absolutely useless" after 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddles Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Careful Purbeck! Thomasl said that "Piko Code 100" was useless after 3 years, not "Peco". Peco is British and Piko is German. Regards, Riddles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purbeck Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 AHH! I thought it was a spelling slip, never heard of Piko! Sorry Thomasl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purbeck Posted May 13, 2017 Author Share Posted May 13, 2017 I've had about 2m of track laid now for over a year, and finally finished preparing the ground for the next stage. What's the best way to set up point motors? The Peco PL-11 ones look simple enough, but are they waterproof? Has this been covered elsewhere on the forum already? Total beginner here, in case you were wondering! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traingeekboy Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 My Atlas code 100 is doing just fine after years out in the sun and extra UV we get here at a mile above sea level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stese Posted May 15, 2017 Share Posted May 15, 2017 Hi Purbeck, the PL10's and 11's aren't waterproof. You can use PL10's mounted below the baseboard, and keep them in good condition with a covering of WD40 etc to keep the moisture out... You can also use the PL10's above board, and then put covers over them. They can be scenic and left there all the time, or just for protection, and removed before running. A microwave treacle sponge pot is a good size and shape... plus the contents are quite tasty too! The PL11 didn't survive all that well outside. I believe many people use central locking actuators for point motors, but I've never used them so can't give recommendations/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purbeck Posted June 12, 2017 Author Share Posted June 12, 2017 Thanks everyone for your help and advice, I've now about 20m of track laid and ballasted - will think about controlling the points remotely later in the year. Final question on this thread (ie nothing to do with track, or this thread at all..) - what's the forum protocol for uploading a couple of pics, maybe a video, and discussing layout ideas? Sorry for the numpty question, do I just start a new thread topic under 'name of my layout'? In which case perhaps I should think of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav2 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 An old thread I know, but.. I notice most seem to use Peco for track. Almost no mention at all of Hornby, is that a swear word? Had no problems with it indoor, but what's it like for outdoor use. I have a decent amount of track and I'd rather not have to swap it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purbeck Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Hello Dav2, Definitely don't use Hornby outdoors,, it rusts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddles Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) For many years, probably well over 10, Hornby track has been made from an alloy known as nickel silver which does NOT rust although it may tarnish a little. Older Hornby track used steel rails which had one advantage of assisting grip for locomotives fitted with Magnadhesion; no other advantage though. Peco claim that the plastic sleepers of their track contain ultra-violet inhibitors to prevent sunlight making them brittle. I don't know whether the same could be said of Hornby but I am sure they would be good for a few years. The biggest problem of using sectional track is that there will be many joins and fishplates cannot be relied upon to conduct current reliably. Most successful outdoor layouts have most pieces of track soldered to a separate supply wire (or by a short bonding wire to the next piece of track) Edited May 5, 2020 by Riddles Additional clarification 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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